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Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

Frank Wolf — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:57:48 -0000

Here's some updated info that confirms some "predictions".

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080306-a...

Enjoy!

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

Frank Wolf — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:51:53 -0000

Not a problem for me, really. When asked for the quote I didn't realize the scope of it's publication possibilities. It was a surprise for me and not a bad one at that.

:-)

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

Paul Ellis — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:02:35 -0000

It could be possible that the quote attributed to him was not intended for public release. There is no way we could have known that though as it is a press release from Purdue quoting a Purdue employee.

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

bobcaswell — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:53:50 -0000

Frank-

Thanks for checking in and providing additional insight. One minor quibble: Was the original article I linked to really for an "internal publication?" I mean, it's a Purdue press release that's already publicly available to anyone on the Internet.

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

Paul Ellis — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:52:05 -0000

About the 802.1x OS X problem, everyone I know who has issues with it was using a MacBook or MacBook Pro that is less than 18 months old.

About the iPhone (and BlackBerry and Windows Mobile), they are just positioned different. The iPhone is an iPod that can make calls, browse the web, and do some calendering/e-mail. The BB/WM side of things is such that they are e-mail/calendering devices that can make calls, browse the web, and play music. It is all about how well each device does each function.

IMO, the only thing that the iPhone clearly does better than any other platform is mobile web browsing. The price is nearly low enough for me to consider one now, but I don't think I could live with the phone part of the iPhone. Particularly how you look up contacts.

I have a Treo 680 that is a great phone and PDA. I don't do e-mail, but the music playback is actually pretty good. Not iPod level of ease, but definitely good enough that I don't feel the need to purchase a separate MP3 player. BTW, you can get it for -$25 (yes, minus $25) after rebate with a new/renewed contract at Amazon. I could never justify spending $300-$400 more just for the iPhone.

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

Frank Wolf — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:36:26 -0000

My bad, re-read the article again on the 802.1x references. (It's a bit disconcerting, not in a bad way, to find your quotes for an internal publication repeated in a public forum) Then there is alway the difference between WEP and WPA.

The latest version of 10.4.11 had yielded reliable 802.1x connections on my laptop and my desktop. I've upgraded both to 10.5.2 and see even better results. (Stay away from 10.5 and 10.5.1 in regards to 802.1x connections) I suspect that most problems mac users have with wireless on campus may not be the OS so much as the wireless card or the access point they're using. I think older cards, especially the pre AirPort Extreme cards, will have problems. Also, the signal broadcast by the AirPort Extreme wireless cards is pretty powerful and can sometimes interfere with other wireless access points.

But back to the iPhone. It does things very well that a Blackberry or Windows Mobile device can't, such as web browsing, playing media files, etc. On the other hand a Blackberry is a "one trick pony" that does it's trick (email and calendaring) exceptionally well. Right now people have to choose one or the other (media device that's a phone or enterprise messaging) or put up with a myriad of work arounds. I'm confident this won't always be the case. In any case, waiting never hurts. That's why they call it the "bleeding edge".

:-)

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

Paul Ellis — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:18:14 -0000

Thanks for the tip on the faq.

We are actually talking about 802.1x, not any 802.11 (the extra one is all the difference) protocol/feature/etc. It is an authentication mechanism that can be used for LANs or WLANs. The iPhone definitely does not support 802.1x (link). Some people have even started a petition to Apple over it.

Also, I don't know about any 802.1x networks other than Purdue's but Mac OS X's implementation barely works here. People usually have to authenticate a dozen times or so before it will work.

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

Frank Wolf — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:52:29 -0000

Actually, the 802.11x (b,c,d, etc.) is supported as it's a wireless protocol, not an authentication based one. iPhones can connect via an older wireless network on campus via VPN but not the newer one which requires WPA Enterprise capabilities. The current iPhone OS X does not support WPA Enterprise like it's full blown desktop OS X cousin. It does, however, support WPA personal, which is used by most consumer wireless routers, like the ones you'd buy at Best Buy, Circuit City, or Frys.

If you're looking for a good source of info about the iPhone that is a bit more objective than Apple marketing or an Enterprise Computing article, look here:

http://www.macintouch.com/iphone/faq.html

The fact that Apple advertised, and assumed to have hired, an Exchange engineer, hints that they're getting more serious about the iPhone as an enterprise device.

Cheers!

Frank Wolf

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

bobcaswell — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:00:24 -0000

Yeah, robbh66, no need to respond as if I personally insulted you. I never claimed I was a journalist, and you're right that this is a blog. I simply saw an interesting story, linked to it, and said "here's some interesting stuff, let's discuss."

The nice thing about blogs is that they can be corrected easily via open discussion. The article above has been updated/corrected.

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

Paul Ellis — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:24:28 -0000

Wow, you are obviously a complete hybrid Apple fanboy/troll. Heaven forbid that someone misspeaks. The iPhone does support WPA (I read it in many places), but doesn't support 802.1x (which Purdue does use).

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

robbh66 — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:57:45 -0000

You're the "journalist," do your own research instead of relying on others. The iPhone and iPod Touch support WPA. Your article is flat out wrong and your source is either wrong, or you misread /misinterpreted it. This is why people should never take blogs seriously.

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

bobcaswell — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:33:31 -0000

robbh66-

My source is the IT department at a major university (see link in the first sentence of the article above), but they very well could be wrong. If they are, could you provide a reliable source that shows that iPhones can support WPA? I'll update the post if you (or anyone reading this, for that matter) get back to me here in the comments.

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

robbh66 — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:25:18 -0000

Since when does the iPhone not support WPA?

You probably mean 802.1x, which many college campuses use.

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

bobcaswell — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:34:39 -0000

Logan-

I wish I knew! I'll be making some cellphone/carrier decisions this summer and a next gen iPhone could make a difference in my thought process.

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Logan — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:33:09 -0000

Dah! This isn't what I want to hear; I'm actually getting close to getting one. Any clue on when we might see a revision?

Re: Purdue University IT: iPhones Are Cool But Don’t Buy One Yet

Paul Ellis — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:24:42 -0000

I didn't realize the iPhone didn't support WPA for wireless networks. That is a joke! So apparently you can either have a secure wifi network or have an iPhone. I didn't know anyone made new products (much less premium priced products) that didn't support WPA these days.